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 Radio Curious 
 Weekly Program
 Allen Cooperrider P.hD., Sid Cooperrider & Barry Vogel, Esq.
 Radio Curious - Barry Vogel  
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Radio Curious visits with father and son duo, Allen and Sid Cooperrider, creators of the "Trump the Swamp" deck of playing cards.
Barry Vogel, Attorney and Counselor, is the Host and Producer of Radio Curious. Christina Aanestad is the Assistant Producer.
When Donald Trump ran for president of the United States in 2016, he pejoratively pledged to "drain the swamp." This metaphor, referencing the policies and politicians which he deplored, refers to the large portion of Washington, D.C., which lies as sea level, and was, in fact, a swamp, before it became the seat of our nation's government.

Once Trump took office he appointed people associated with the special interests he condemned during the campaign. They included corporate executives from Goldman Sachs and Exxon Mobile; politicians who sought to curtail, if not dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Energy for example, and their political allies. Some say that instead of draining the swamp, Donald Trump trumped the swamp.

In this edition of Radio Curious, we visit with Allen Cooperrider, Ph.D., and Sid Cooperrider, a computer whiz. This father and son duo created Trump the Swamp, ( a standard 54 card deck of playing cards that portray and features informative details about the ever-changing cast of characters in the Trump administration, Congress and the so called Shadow Government. Their website is

The Cooperriders are concerned about the damage that they say Trump is doing to our country and are worried that the country is moving toward a totalitarian state. Their Trump the Swamp cards are part of an effort to resist this trend.

When Allen Cooperrider and Sid Cooperrider visited the studios of Radio Curious on September 8, 2017, we began our conversation when I asked Allen, about the genesis of the Trump the Swamp deck of playing cards.

Their website is

The book Allen Cooperrider recommends is "On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century," by Timothy Snyder.

The book Sid Cooperrider recommends is "Minerals for the Genetic Code," by Charles Walters.

Radio Curious is a half-hour, weekly, long-form interview program, now in its 27th year. We interview people on a curiously wide variety of topics about life and ideas. Our website is If your station airs Radio Curious please let us know, we will add you to our list of syndicate stations. We also welcome questions, feedback and program ideas. Radio Curious 280 N. Oak St. Ukiah, Ca 95482. (707) 462-6541.

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00:29:00 English 2017-09-13
 Ukiah, California
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