Garry George, Renewable Energy Project Director at Audubon California, and Chase Mendenhall, Ph.D student in Stanford's Center for Conservation Biology, joined us on the show for a discussion about the impacts of solar and wind energy projects on birds, and how to transition to renewable energy with as little impact on wildlife as possible. Garry is intimately involved with renewable energy developers, helping them create plans that work for the developers but also for endangered birds and other critical species. Chase joined us on the panel to discuss our interview with Garry and to provide his perspective on striking the delicate balance that protects wildlife without preventing energy developers from moving forward.